QUESTION: I know. All right. Another thing he said in those comments was that he [Saeb Erekat] fears for President Abbas's life because the Israelis poisoned/killed Arafat, which – can I just get – what does the U.S. make of comments like that?
MS. HARF: Well, you probably won't like this answer, but what I am not going to do is stand up here and do analysis on every public comment that someone makes.
QUESTION: Well, is it the U.S. --
MS. HARF: I'm just not.
QUESTION: What's the U.S. understanding? Did the Israelis poison Arafat?
MS. HARF: That's certainly not my understanding. I think we've addressed this many times in the past.
QUESTION: Okay. So when one – so when one side – and this gets back to my questions about Prime Minister Netanyahu's comments standing next to Secretary Kerry last week, which you didn't want to comment on. But when one side or when a senior official from one side gets up and says something that you believe is outrageously false, not correct, don't you have – don't you think that you have an obligation to come out and say, "Look, that's wrong and that's not helping the situation"?
MS. HARF: And as I've said, I do think we do, but we make those discussions private --
QUESTION: So what are --
MS. HARF: -- for a very good reason, that we're not going to --
QUESTION: Okay.
MS. HARF: -- get in a tit-for-tat publicly. If we have issues with things either side says or either side does, we have those discussions privately and keep them as a part of these private discussions because we think that's the best way to make progress here.
QUESTION: You don't – so you think that – so when the --
MS. HARF: So I'm not saying we don't register complaints.
QUESTION: But the --
MS. HARF: I'm just saying we don't always do it publicly.
QUESTION: Well, so what is the Arab-speaking public supposed to think, then, about the U.S. position about this if all you're willing to do is to tell Erekat, "Don't say things like this," to say that to him privately? I don't get it.
It would seem to me if that you give an interview to a major Arabic-language newspaper which is going to be read online and in print all over the region in which he asserts – the chief Palestinian negotiator asserts that Israel killed Arafat, and you guys don't come out and publicly say, one, we don't believe or we think or we know that that's factually inaccurate; and two, this is not the kind of thing that's going to get progress anywhere; or three, it's certainly not the kind of thing that prepares or helps prepare the Palestinian people for what you hope will be an eventual peace deal. It gets back to what Prime Minister Netanyahu said about incitement when he was standing next to Kerry. Either you believe that the prime minister is right and that this Palestinian official is wrong, or you don't.
QUESTION: And what is the trouble with just --
QUESTION: And I think you have to say – you have to – but – and staying silent on it, I don't see how – can you explain to me how it is that you think that helps?
MS. HARF: Well, publicly silent is different than privately silent. And again, nobody's privately silent. If you've ever met the Secretary or Ambassador Indyk, nobody's privately silent. In terms of the good – and then I will get back to – I think there was a question somewhere in there – that in terms of good faith, what we're – how we judge that is that the parties remain at the table negotiating seriously and – no, but they do – seriously, substantively, and we're making progress towards getting a framework. Going out and saying something in an interview is one thing, but what we're focused on is, at the table, making progress on getting a framework in place, and then moving forward with the negotiations.
QUESTION: But how can you judge the sincerity of their negotiations if the minute the negotiations are done they leave the room and they're trashing the other party publicly?
MS. HARF: Again, these are complicated issues. They're sensitive issues. I'm not going to do an analysis of what everyone says publicly. We're focused on what the parties do at the table.
QUESTION: Okay. I'm not saying analysis. I'm – okay, so don't analyze everyone, but let's talk about a pattern on each side of sitting next to Secretary Kerry and telling him very nice things and being – making progress on these – on all these issues; and then the minute they leave the room, they completely trash both the process and the other party.
MS. HARF: Well, there's a long history of mistrust on both sides.
QUESTION: So which is the real Israeli and which is the real Palestinian? The one that's sitting --
MS. HARF: I think that's a much bigger question, Elise, than we can address at this podium. Honestly, I do. What we can judge people on is their actions, what they do at the negotiating table --
QUESTION: Well, their actions – going out speaking very negatively against the other party is an action.
MS. HARF: I'm not saying we always welcome every time people go out and speak about this. That's why we've purposefully made it quiet. And to be fair, I haven't seen Mr. – Dr. Erekat – excuse me – his specific comments. I haven't seen them. I'm happy to check with our folks and see if there's a response.
What I am saying in general is that there's a lot of churn out there, there's a lot of people talking, and there – we always knew that would be the case. There always is. That's why we have to focus on what we do at the table.
QUESTION: But if you're an honest broker and you still claim to be an honest broker – "claim" is maybe the wrong word – you believe that you still are an honest broker in this.
MS. HARF: Absolutely.
QUESTION: Don't you have an obligation to speak out when someone says something that is not honest, when something is dishonest? I don't see how it – I don't – you have to --
MS. HARF: Again, I haven't seen – I actually haven't seen those specific comments.
QUESTION: Okay. Well, I can pull them up and read them to you, but he says that he's worried about --
MS. HARF: I always like it when you do that.
QUESTION: -- President Abbas's life because the Israelis killed Arafat, which, I mean, I just don't understand why you think that it is – it would be not helpful to come out and --
MS. HARF: I'm not saying I'm not going to have a response to that. I, quite frankly, just hadn't seen it.
QUESTION: All right.
MS. HARF: I'm not saying I don't want to respond to that. What I am saying is that broadly speaking, sometimes we register complaints privately because we think it's more effective to do it that way, and sometimes we come out publicly and say things as well.
QUESTION: Okay. Because it --
MS. HARF: But there's also a difference between commenting when the Secretary is there on the ground having meetings than when he's not. There's obviously a delicate dance we're all doing here.
QUESTION: Right, I understand.
MS. HARF: And I know you understand that.
QUESTION: But it seems to me that – like when the Israelis announce new settlements, you come out and publicly say you think it's a bad idea. And I don't understand why it is when the Palestinians say something that's inflammatory, then --
MS. HARF: Well, it's just not a one-to-one comparison.
QUESTION: Well --
MS. HARF: It's not.
QUESTION: You're – well, you're right, because --
MS. HARF: Every situation is different.
QUESTION: That's right, because the settlements actually change something on the ground; and the Palestinian comments, while they might be offensive to the Israelis and might be offensive to others, they don't actually change the situation on the ground.
MS. HARF: Which is an argument for not always commenting on every public comment.
QUESTION: Well, but the point that --
MS. HARF: You just made my point for me.
QUESTION: No, because the point that Prime Minister Netanyahu made is that the Palestinians are not – the leadership is not preparing the Palestinian people for an eventual peace deal --
MS. HARF: And I --
QUESTION: -- and these kind of comments would not seem to be helpful in preparing --
MS. HARF: Again, I'll take a look at these specific comments.
QUESTION: All right. Thank you.
The idea that "privately" complaining about Palestinian Arab behavior would make a difference shows the depth of misunderstanding of Arab culture. In an honor/shame society, things done privately don't count. Only things that are public matter - whether they are true or not.
Arabs want to shame and avoid being shamed. The truth is not important; perception is everything. That is why there are "honor" killings. That's why there are conspiracy theories to explain away Arab shortcomings and embarrassments.
You cannot conduct effective negotiations with Arabs unless you understand the honor/shame mindset.
I want to emphasize that honor/shame is not inherently inferior to Western "guilt" culture. But it is very, very different.
The only way to change behavior in the Arab world is to use honor/shame to your advantage - giving honor when they act responsibly and shaming them when they do not. Nothing else matters.
The West has great leverage, if only it realized this simple truth. Clearly the State Department doesn't.
(h/t Josh K)
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Posted By Elder of Ziyon to Elder Of Ziyon - Israel News at 1/07/2014 04:00:00 PM
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